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olhexy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

albertsm wrote:

A problem with Xmega is that there are no PDIP.


I think it is good PDIP alternative to go to EasyEda and JLCPCB. They provide and assemble the "basic components" parts at low price, for stocked "extended components" they charge $3 for putting the reel in the assembly line.
They have a few AVR Xmega.
There are more other AVR's, but not in large quantities, it's like surplus.
With some effort hobbyists can have there own board design with the all the tricky parts soldered, and at very affordable prices.

BTW:
I am happy to get the 2083 today. Only at start it missed the license, i had to put it manually.
After the UPDI-software-only 2082 we now have Xtiny.dat files.
That I need an add-on to compile them... was a new surprise.
But I fully understand the reason.
Although I may not yet really need it, I hate incomplete Bascom.
So I think I will buy the the add-on. It may cost slighty over Ä50 but less then Ä100.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

July 28th, 2020

Just thought I'd mention that my Win10 upgrade to Version 2083, followed by my addition of the XTiny Add On, both worked perfectly.

Thank you!

JC
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That I need an add-on to compile them... was a new surprise.
But I fully understand the reason.


yes, it is either this or charge all users for updates. Since 25 years i put my private money in developing and free updates. There are not advertisements on this site except for a few banners on the main page. And because i do not believe in dongles there is a lot of piracy.
With an add on only the ones that require these processors pay. Seems more fair.
And it is a good way to measure if there is interest for new series.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....ADD ONS.... EXTRA.... Who could not get the fact that it cost extra?
Any extra cost something...get it through your thick skulls. This is not for free!
I will be glad to pay for something improved. Even for Updates.
May be you people how think life is for free... deaath will charge the funeral!!!
Best regards to the unaware users!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
not so frequent member, but the idea of "additional gifts for extra $$$" find me very positive
original license of BASCOM-AVR was "free updates for ever" so this is is difficult to change

"gifts" "add-ons" "extra services" for a fee is very welcome and as said paid by whom who need-understand that work must be paid


since the conversation of this goes so far, i would like to pop the idea (not need a reply but keep it in you mind Wink)
that the biggest audience out there there for ARM chips, there are too many and practically only 1 competitive BASIC compiler exist.
so, lot of work, but new stuff can have new licence and bigger audience ?! who knows Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A problem with Xmega is that there are no PDIP.


The DA series does come in a PDIP, so one gets the best of both worlds!

I agree that PDIP is certainly great when breadboarding / prototyping, but SMD chips are certainly doable these days, with a little bit of practice.
I am a very part-time hobbyist and manage the SMD reasonably well.

The photo is an AVR128DA48 for which I made a "DIP Module" for breadboarding and testing.

Getting PCBs made is inexpensive these days.
I put a little paste on the pads, place the components, and then heat it up on a frying pad in the kitchen!

(Not a very well controlled thermal profile, but it works fine for non-commercial production purposes!)

I think interest in the DA series will continue to grow as people learn more about its new capabilities!

JC


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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original license of BASCOM-AVR was "free updates for ever" so this is is difficult to change

That is not the case. You will not find any document that will say that we guarantee updates are free for ever.
It is however true that the updates were free since 1995 and that i always tried to keep them free. So the intention is there, but that is what it is : an intention.
There is only a 2 year guarantee that you get 2 years support and updates.

But besides that i found the add on the best way.


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The DA series does come in a PDIP, so one gets the best of both worlds!

I will check it later. Your PCB looks very nice.

The plan is this :
- at the moment more samples are added and some devices have multiple devices like 3xDA converter. Support for multiple devs is added now. An update will follow soon. The help is updated too since some info was missing.
- i checked the mega X series and there seem to be just a few of them. I think most is similar so i will add them to xtiny.
- the DA i did not checked yet but it seems a big mega with also the same core. either it will be added or a separate add on created. that all depends on the amount of work.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, a number of xttinys are ok, except for some slight differences that can be bypassed ASM. The advantage of complex Bascom functions and ease of programming was the reason why I once bought it.
Feel free to solve the AVR128 in the same way as xtinny, whoever wants to will buy it. It's the only IDE that is designed this way. Anyone who has ever programmed in a competitive environment knows what I'm writing about. Clarity and processing is simply somewhere else. Functions are written minimalistically and quickly (who does not believe and looks at the source). No unnecessary parts are attached during translation.
From my point of view, I will easily buy another part that will be released and I will need it. I don't need an AVR128 yet but one never knows. Bascom is simply worth speeding up the work. If someone doesn't want to buy one can use arduino but those libraries are often terrifying and the resulting translation is even worse. If something doesn't work, look for a mistake in those lots of linked libraries is an experience.
So thanks again, Mark for the xttiny. It's a pity that something similar is not for stm8 Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great news, Microchip released the data sheet for the AVR DB Series, and the External HF Xtal clock option is back!
They also have a LOT of internal modules, (peripherals)!

Not stocked at Mouser yet, but still a great day for AVR users!

JC
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not so much interested in tiny but I would certainly pay for the DA series to be supported. The Tiny chips do not have enough
ports available for my needs.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JC wrote:
Great news, Microchip released the data sheet for the AVR DB Series, and the External HF Xtal clock option is back!
They also have a LOT of internal modules, (peripherals)!

Not stocked at Mouser yet, but still a great day for AVR users!

JC

I have looked through http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/AVR128DB28-32-48-64-DataSheet-DS40002247A.pdf.
This document was fun to read. Well done!

BTW: you can order quantities up to a few 100's by now at Microchip - to be shipped first week of september.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:03 am    Post subject: Thanks Mark Reply with quote

Hello everyone,
Thanks Mark,
I am also a long-time user of BASCOM in the hobby area.
My projects are now so big that I canít switch to any other programming language without great effort.
Even though I have discovered this and that bug, I have a lot of fun working with BASCOM.

Of course I would also like to pay for the next update.
Good luck, Mark!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be glad to pay for updates every 2 or so years. I was already used to this model with B4X, and other environments.

Developers need to continue to get paid for the blood sweat and tears they continually put into a product that I feel is excellent.

As far as Piracy is concerned, you could do what everyone else does. Server-based activations. 1 License entitles you to 1 machine at a time. You could have it installed on as many computers as you like, as long as only 1 computer is in use at a time otherwise it kicks you out. I dont believe in the Software as a Service model where its all or nothing. I cant stand that. However, I do believe in updates as a service model. So if there are new features, additions, or bugfixes and your paying for the update subscription all is good. If you don't, well, your stuck with what you have as it is model.

I have been using BASCOM legitimately since 2013. I say legitimately because as hard as it is to admit, I was also a Pirate. Yes, I was a pirate. But the software was just too good to have fun with. Once I decided that this product would support me into the future including the commercial aspects, I bought and paid for it. Amnesty Smile

Anyways, I fully support the decisions you make for the future of the product. It really is a good product! and I would pay for it again and renew update subscriptions if I have to.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
I did register later than I used (and paid for the Bascom program)it. Prior to that I purchased a board-designer and had a fairly expensive prototype board manufactured (still for microprocessor). The router ignored three connections(not possible to fix). When I contacted the Owner of the program, I was told "it is not a professional program". So there was no support for anything yet that person still sent me advertisements 10 years after that.
In that respect I think that Bascom and it's support are superior and really outstanding. New devices added periodically and supported till the end of live... I have not had any Company and their contracts give any better service and support to their customers(even when I had a Company). Registered in 20007 but did not have to pay anything for upgrades just blows my mind. Mark is really working hard to get everything working flawlessly, but is not charging for it! Like I posted beforesides , A renewal of the subscription or an update or extension to pay for, I really do not have a problem with.
But like Mark mentioned before "it's up to him" and I agree.
At my age , I hope to use Bascom for a while and finish my ongoing Project (VTOL). Besides the canoe I am building right now.
JUst my 2 bits.
Best regards
Hubert

P.S: Sorry for the novel..
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