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krolikbest

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please give on a page a paypay account or how to donate.
Thank you for a Bascom
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albertsm

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a donation yesterday from you MWS Very Happy . Thanks !

I will give an extensive reply later today.

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albertsm

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I moved this topic since it is not really suited for bascom-avr forum anymore.

This is not really the right place to discuss this but I like to add my opinion.
As the long time users know (the ones using BASCOM-LT or BASCOM-8051), I started this mission because I felt the new 89c2051 chips were too good to be true.
They made my projects much simpler because before of that I had to use a lot of CMOS/TTL chips. And making a PCB was still done with UV light, ink and tape.

I found the available tools too complex so made my own tool.
Today you can buy electronics for little money but then even a resistor cost 5 cents. And only electronic shops sold them. There was no internet. So a lot of traveling was required.
In order to get some funds to buy equipment and processors, LCD, etc. I sold the software for a small fee. (I realize that small is relatively)

The AVR version came because of user questions and because I noticed the huge internal SRAM which was great. And in circuit programmable was another great thing.
Because I had a full time job I had to make long days. I helped with all kind of questions. Since support took too much time I started working full time for MCS.

Each new feature requires coding, testing and documentation. But also support. No matter how good or bad we document, we get questions.
A wish for a new option is quickly made but we (and I am responsible for the end result) have to make sure that all existing code remains working.
With more and more features, the testing takes longer. One mistake and we get a lot of support tickets.

For the 2081 update I even worked on my birthday. I got a few thanks, but many more questions about the Grey code in the editor.
People get upset because they do not read the help/history and donít understand a great feature. That was a bit of a turning point for me. I began to reflect and realized that there are many users : prof users, hobby users, illegal users. And they all need different things.
Please notice that I do not ask for your Ďthank youí, I understand that offering update/support for free is my choice and that users see this as normal practice. I have no bad feelings to anyone. I see it as my own fault. I was never in business to get rich. I just want to keep things going.

Some users appreciate our efforts and some do not care, they just want quick updates and features.
The illegal users we ban from our site. The forum now only allows posting from registered users. This also allows to post attachments with code intended for customers.

Because we also develop products for customers on a commercial basis we were always able to offer free updates and support.
The free updates are for bascom friends. Officially we offer 2 years of free updates and 1 year support.
In practice both services have been free since 1995.

Support questions range from engineering help questions to bascom related questions and bug reports.
We have just a small team and the reason we still exist is that we are on a mission. We believe in the product. And while your mobile is not supported after already 2 years we want to make sure that users that invested time and money in Bascom, will have benefit from that over 10 years too.

But even while we support this, we need money to pay for the team, server, office, etc.
We used to offer an SLA service for companies. They get support within agreed time. We charged 99/year but even that is way too little for the actual time we spend on some of them.
For this reason we faded out this service, only existing users can continue this service.

In 2019 we will change free support to paid support. For licenses older than x year. A lot of support questions are from users that lost PC or license or want to install a 15 year old version in win10.
All this time we spend takes our resources.

MWS : I appreciate the money you sent. But there are a number of users on this forum and other Bascom forums that helped others for free for a long time too and you are one of them. I should pay for that since it helped me as well Smile. Essentially, it was one of the reasons we could offer free support for such a long time. Because of the helping users.

The TYPE is valuable otherwise I would not have started the implementation. For 2081 I forgot to set a compile switch for the public release so you get some beta things.
In 2018 we did a lot of research for features that are still on the to-do list. Some things are connected.

Customers that ask for features we often offer to do this for a fee. So a number of options are sponsored.
The TYPE will be there eventually. No matter if you pay or not.
But you need to realize that in order to have such an option quick it would cost a lot.
At the moment we are finishing UPDI programming support, something more important IMO.

To be clear, updates are still free. Support will be a paid feature after x years. Support and updates are 2 different things.

When you want to donate, I will not stop you Smile.
But please take in mind that for a donation there should not be an obligation to do something in return.
If you want to have something badly, write to support and we can discuss it from there.
When you want to send a gift, our paypal account is paypal@mcselec.com
You can also include me in your last will Wink, no just kidding. I lost some valuable bascom friends already Sad
As I am in the middle of development to get the next version out, I will not have much time to thank in case of a gift.
I wish I had more time to write but this is already a long story.

Wish you all the best.
Mark Alberts

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also donate slightly.
Thank you for a very useful product. Embarassed
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aphawk

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Joined: 23 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark,

If more people thinks like you do, the world will be a better place !

Thanks for all the time you had deserved to Bascom, this donít turn you a rich people, but for sure
put you in our hearts and our minds as a example of a talented people that has helped many of
us to transform our dreams in a reality!


Paulo
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six1

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Joined: 27 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mark,
maybe it's time to change strategy...


Buying Version of Bascom with free Bugfix inside the Version.

Upgrade with upgrade fee for new Versions.


Iwill be on board...

best regards, michael

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Plons

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six1 wrote:
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Iwill be on board...

best regards, michael

Ditto Smile

IMO it is fair to pay a fee for upgrades.

Regards

Nard

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Duval JP

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had pay my contribution as we discuss before.

and It will a pleasure to pay updates.

JP Wink

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Sarek

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Joined: 15 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

six1 wrote:
Hi Mark,
maybe it's time to change strategy...


Buying Version of Bascom with free Bugfix inside the Version.

Upgrade with upgrade fee for new Versions.


Iwill be on board...

best regards, michael


Full ACK !!

I'm a professional user and I (my boss) would pay for updates and a support contract.
I don't know how much, but sure more than 99$ per year.

We developed a complete system for a high power BLDC, with 3 devices based on a XMEGA256A3U
a) Battery managment system
b) Motor Controller
c) HMI with FT810
The 3 systems communicate via RS485-Bus (Motor Controller as polling Master, HMI and up to 8x BMS as Slaves) every 32ms

We use nearly every feature which XMEGA & BASCOM has as:
many, many interrupts
DMA
Event System
SPI
I2C
ADC
AC
DAC
...
FT810
...

I also would do beta tests....
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