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Robert_d1968

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:06 pm    Post subject: HHO Generator Reply with quote

Hello everybody,

I'm on on my HHO generator project, It's objective is to power a 5 Kw gas powered generator from an HHO cell.

This will all be driven via an ATMEGA8-16 powered by Bascom. This will control the voltage and current to the HHO cell, fire the ignition coil
and control the engine timing, control engine rpm and be controlled from the on board atmega8 or via a terminal program. I'm currently
writing a program in xojo that will run in windows mac or linux, that will allow you to control it from a pc or cubieboard 1 or 2

I'm also going to port that code over to my Samsung cellphone running android, and control it from that later in the future.


If enough are interested, I'll post up the project.

Robert

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert

Yes Please, post something when finished.

Interesting to see how you are going to control the Engine plus
run it without some substitute gas to complement Hydrogen Generator.

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Robert_d1968

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Substitutes in the fuel supply will not be needed, I think.

As HHO burns very rapidly compared to normal gasoline, I can just adjust the timing to make sure the intake valve is fully closed before firing the plug. not to early, not to late kind of thing.

This will be handled via a proximity sensor reading a mark on the crank, then using the proper delays via firmware, I should be able to
adjust the timing to what ever It needs to be.

I have already ran this generator from the HHO supply, via a tube and flame arrester setup. Timing on the generator was not adjustable at that time and resulted in the need to mix gasoline with it to avoid backfire (firing with the intake valve open)

I can also route the exhaust gasses back around if need be.

I'm doing some machine work on the lid to accept the terminal posts for the wiring to the tubes, will be about 16 hours until completion,
then still waiting on custom made parts for the hho hookup to the engine. The circuit board I placed an order for still has not arrive as of yet, about 2 more days I think.

I should know a lot more by Monday !

Robert

Attached is the work being done to the lid of the container at this time.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Robert,

I've been interested in HHO for a while now, tried a cell and they produce quite a bit of gas.
I'll be interested in seeing how yours progresses on a 5Kw gen set..

Regards

Dean
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert

Have a think about moving this topic to BASCOM Project Blog area.

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Robert_d1968

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that does seem like the best place for it.

How Do I go about moving it there?

I can only edit my posts, if you know of a way to move it, please enlighten me.

Thanks,

Robert
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert

MMmm.. good question

One of the Moderators or Mark may read this post and sort it out.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i moved it. i have no idea yet what it is exactly, but i guess i will see Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark

It's just Smoke and Mirrors (if you heard to term used for Magicians)


Robert

What size engine (capacity) are you using on your Hydrogen Gen project ?

Curious to see how it goes since I have seen a few of these projects not work
properly (in commercial versions).

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i looked it up and found HHO generators. I used to do that the simple way using a small battery when i was into chemistry at young age (making firework) . it produces some gas which would make a small pop when lighted.
but H2 and O generators need electricity right? so is the idea to convert say solar power into gas and use that gas in your car?
What exactly is to gain here?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is to gain here? Hmmm....

This water is to be converted into HHO (2H, 1O) this is done via a fuel cell, yes using electricity, and fed to the generator to run it.
This is done very efficiently so as to consume very little electricity, and the electricity will be provided via the generator.

Think of it as a over unity type of system, except the gas is made from the water, so it's not true over-unity but does not consume fossil fuels and
the burnt HHO is converted right back into water again.

So it cleans dirty water and releases it back into the atmosphere, a lot more than I can say for cars !

In the long run, this will be converted to run your car, motorcycle, buses and what not. It will also provide electricity and fuel for cooking and taking showers and such.


I'm on the verge of opening a small power plant here in China that operates on this very concept, it will be tried in the Hunan Provence and must run for one year for a proof of concept.

What I'm trying to do here is scale it down to a home version.


The engine on the generator is right at 125CC and it's a 4 stroke. may run into lubrication problems on the valve seats, but it only needs to run for 24 hours for the test.


Robert
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but the electricity you use is generated at a power plant right? and they use fossil materials to create the electricity (at least in our country). When you have a solar panel i can see good usage but on the other hand i think that in each energy conversion stage you loose energy thus it would be better to use electricity only for electrical devices. When you produce more energy that needed it could be a good thing to produce gas since it can be easily stored. Then it can be used in the evening when there is no sun. But to use an HHO generator that makes also electricity to power itself can never be efficient because of the energy loss. well that is just my understanding of it. i will follow this blog and probably get some 'aha' moment when i understand it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The top cover has been completed, needs a 24 hour cure time for the silicone used. (maybe more)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the Board I intend to use to run the project, It's a 4 layer board and was built in about 5 hours of time.
If all works out, I will upload the board, schematics and artwork.
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